Talk:Devil

§Devil's Laser on Jack

I seem to remember that windmilling arms thing happening in Tekken 2 as well with Jack and Devils laser, can anyone confirm? Samuel 23:13, 15 April 2007 (CDT)

It does. Same thing with TTT. --Hecko 03:00, 16 April 2007 (CDT)

I don't think this happens in Tekken 2, but it does happen in Tekken Tag Tournament. Hold on while I confirm this. JunKazamaFan 19:49, 16 April 2007 (CDT)

I'm right. Jack-2 and Prototype Jack both do not perform their "Windmill Punches" after being hit by Devil or Angel's eye beams in Tekken 2. They just fall to the ground like everybody else. JunKazamaFan 20:10, 16 April 2007 (CDT)

I don't want to go and edit the page without saying anything, but shouldn't we put in a word about the additional effects of Devil's laser beam on the Jacks? If you punch a Jack model while his arms are windmilling (after a laser hit o'course) the Jack will be invunerable to the attack and make that "strong man" pose that P-Jack can do by pressing b+1+2. If you laser him a second time instead, he will do that crazy dive at you while screaming again. I don't remember exactly how much damage this does, but it smashes you far away, like Paul's burning punch. Serian 16:25, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Hecko Xtalk - blog - anime rants 17:09, 15 May 2008 (UTC) We should probably shorten the info we have in the trivia section, and link it to Inferno. I can do this in a few hours, since I discovered quite a few anormalities during tests

§Feelings?

Does Devil "supposedly" have "feelings" for Jun Kazama? --Sakura 17:03, 29 August 2007 (PDT)

Devil's Tekken Tag Tournament ending suggests this, but I don't think it's been confirmed. JunKazamaFan 18:23, 29 August 2007 (PDT)

Devil does not, per se, but Kazuya does/did, and since Devil is part of Kazuya's soul, it can be discussed. --Hecko 02:36, 30 August 2007 (PDT)

Hm.... ok, thanks you guys. --RaiJinX

§RaiJinX's Trivia

Devil is purple.

Congratulations on your high military rank. --Hecko 04:47, 25 October 2007 (PDT)

Wait, what? --RaiJinX

He means that you are now a sysop. I'm gonna need official confirmation from Namco before I believe Devil is purple. KingIsBest 00:55, 26 October 2007 (PDT)

Actually, I meant that she's a regular Captain Obvious :P but the Sysop-thing works too. --Hecko 04:20, 26 October 2007 (PDT)

I'm telling you KIB, he really is purple! XD(<-Something I don't do very often.) Yes, Hecko, I am a Captain Obvious. Thanks on both accounts. --Sakura 12:30, 26 October 2007 (PDT)

He isn't purple he's Violet!--Cojin 18:10, 26 October 2007 (PDT)

I beg to differ. --Rai to the Jin X

§External Links Section

RaiJinX - ♥煩悩の紙和本脳野上♥ TALK - 00:00, 3 June 2009 (UTC) Why do we have one? We're not Wikipedia.

§portraits in the new layout

Hey, I really like the new layout, but there is one thing that may be confusing.

The caption for the CG image says "Character portrait. Devil Tekken", while for Tekken games younger than the original Tekken there is no confusion, but at first I thought someone called him "Devil Tekken" instead of "Devil Kazuya" :). Maybe we should put a comma between Devil and Tekken? That wouldn't cause confusion for people reading too fast (like I just did :)). Asukaz 23:56, 22 August 2011 (PDT)

Hey thanks for the support. :) You're right, there should be a comma in there. I only realised after I had changed some of pages that I had forgotten to put them in, so some pages that are already changed have them and some don't so if you see any without please feel free to add it in. I'm going to copy and paste this to the Character Page 2.0 Discussion as we're still looking for support and critiques from the community before it officially becomes the new layout. --Skikes 00:38, 23 August 2011 (PDT)

§Devil's age?

Where is it said devil is infinite years old? Is it the age of the devil gene inside Kazuya or what? Even if so, then it's impossible for something to be infinite years old, kinda confusing for me, but maybe it is said somewhere I never had a chance to see. Asukaz 06:41, 24 August 2011 (PDT)

I don't believe it's said anywhere. It shouldn't be Kazuya's age as Devil is an entity separate of Kazuya. It should be changed to unknown.

§Devil VS Kazuya

It seems at the moment Devils page is written as though we are talking about Kazuya. This shouldn't be the case. Devil is an entity separate from Kazuya. He has no age nor nationality. He can and has existed outside of Kazuya. Devil has his own mind. Though this becomes a little more complicated when we take Devil Jin into consideration. I believe since Tekken 3 Devils consciousness has resided within Jin while Kazuya has only been able to access a fragment of the power left behind.

User: Teriko Devil has always been an entity within kazuya from birth Because he has the devil genes. The devil gene exist within kazuya and jin blood.. we cannot ignore the "devil gene", it is a blood trait within kazuya and jin. It is unknown how kazuya got the devil gene perhaps it is safe to say he inherit like jin. But from whom, it is unknown. Harada stated on his Twitter page that it is mishima that had the devil gene before kazuya and only heihachi knows the truth. It is commonlly believe that kazuya sold his soul to the devil Because of the non canon tekken motion picture. Within the games it never stated he sold his soul.. a while back i made a topic on the devil gene disscussion call devil is refered to as the devil gene. Its pretty big disscussion i think you'll like it reading it.. i think that the devil power is pass down in the family by inherited the gene of the "devil", through this concept one who is born with it aré born with a second consciousness or alter ego, the devil side of them. The devil blood originates from azazel, but it is unknown rather who or What and how the first mishima got it. Many speculate it to be kazumi mishima. It could have started from kazuya mother side of the family which probably explains why heihachi and jinpachi dont have it and yet it exist within jin and kazuya. User: Teriko

Yes, but story is secondary to gameplay. In this instance, the page Devil is a reference to the playable character, Devil, not the concept of what Devil may be in the storyline. You cannot convey accurate gameplay information when you are hindered by a complicated and contradictory back-story. The playable character, Kazuya and the playable character Devil have been morphed into the one single playable character. If you could, please link me to the discussion, I would like to read and hear others thoughts on the subject.--Skikes 16:14, 25 September 2011 (PDT)

Yes of course.. but in regards to the character devil/kazuya's story, his relationship with jin kazama is too vague for now, meaning one cannot say that this specific character/"devil" possess jin in any kind of way. The specifications of jin possession is his devil gene which is stated in devil jin tekken 5 prologue. Its states that the devil gene is possessing him, not the character devil. Even in kazuya's case, the character devil is a representation of kazuya when the devil gene takes over him. It is ok to talk about his gameplay but the relationship between the character devil and jin is alittle vague. So we can say that this character possess jin Because we will be contradicting the purpose of the devil gene page. And the character devil was morph into one with the character kazuya when namco develope tekken 4 and up. In tekken tag devil is still his own character like in tekken 2 the only difference is in tekken tag when tag devil and kazuya they morph into one another. Here aré the links to the disscussion it is split into 3 parts [1] and [2] and heres the third part [3]

Well, I agree with you there. The relationship between Devil, Kazuya and Jin is difficult one and probably best avoided until there is some form of official statement on the matter. I'll read that discussion now. --Skikes 17:33, 25 September 2011 (PDT)

§Devil Splits Himself From Kazuya

I really think this should be discussed more. Its still rather unclear if devil actually split himself from kazuya. The scene in the opening of Tekken 3 shows a ghostly figure that looks similar to Devil, but we don't know if that's the devil within Kazuya in the scene. As far as what Devil stated in kazuya's Tekken 4 ending, Devil stated he lost part of himself when Heihachi threw Kazuya down the volcano, nearly killing him. It is still unclear if devil again went from kazuya to jin possessing him. Jin and kazuya possessing the devil gene is very complex, especially considering all the of harada's tweets on his twitter page.

considering that Devil is referred to as the devil gene, it would make more sense that jin inherited the devil gene from kazuya when he was born. I just think we should keep it simple in regards to how kazuya and jin got the devil gene remains unknown until future games and sources come. As Harada stated on his twitter page, he would reveal hiw kazuya got the devil gene in the 20th anniversary of tekken. User: teriko

§Devil: Devil is Kazuya Mishima

Kazuya still has dark power just like Angel and Devil Jin, as he transform into Devil he stills have the devil gene in both Kazuya and Jin Kazama. If you have TTT2 on either the Playstation 3 or Xbox 360, devil transformation for Kazuya is u/b+1+2, if you do it again it will default and Kazuya will be in human transformation. The laser beam is quite effective if you don't do anything to stop it or move out of the way ( must side-step). If a warning laser beam (1+2) hit you after high guarding, this is just like grabbing someone (better guard down as quick as you can!) He'll fly in the air (3+4) and attack you with laser beam (3+4, 3+4), to not get hit by that you must side-step out of the way in order to be safe from that attack. Relations: Both Devil and Devil Jin can do the lightning strew uppercut (B+1+4) also Kazuya. Heihachi does it too (b+1+4), but as his counter. This has been Devil: Devil is Kazuya Mishima story telling to everyone who plays as Kazuya Mishima ( T6 and TTT2). That's all people who has viewed this topic in Kazuya Mishima, Discussion.

§Devil Transformation

The Devil Transformation is referred to as a transformation in the TTT2 movelists so I think transformations (even though as of now there is only one in the series) should be distinguished from stances, because a transformation lasts even when exiting the standing position.