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tekken theories[edit]
tekken theories Many Fans of tekken have they speculations on the tekken series, the origin of most of these theories resolve around the Kazama and Mishima family bloodline. most fans think that there is a special relationship between the two families. Namco has not release or comfirm any of these theories in the story yet, but it is shown that there are events simuliar to these events.. these are only fan theories base on the events that happen in the Tekken series, that could or not be shown in the future games.
When Tekken 2 was released, no one new that Jun and Kazuya had a thing going even though the opening sequences have very well been obvious (that's how hidden it is). In Tekken 3, some people suspected Kazuya was alive because they saw Eddy Gordo's ending, in which we see him with pictures of Kazuya. Here are some ways that fans compare jun kazama and unknown, for being the same character or person
Unknown has a tattoo on her right arm exactly like Jin's (a notable difference is that Jin's tattoo is on his left arm). Some people believe that Jun sold her soul to the Devil (in the form of the wolf behind her) in order to live after Toshin's attack or to be like Kazuya, thus, receiving the tattoo. Others believe that Jun already had the traces of Devil inside of her because of her "bonding" with Kazuya, thus, conceiving Jin.
In the Teeken Tag Tornament game, when you use Unknown as your first character, she ALWAYS starts with Jun's attacks. After that, she uses others but eventually comes back to Jun's attacks again. Those are the attacks she FREQUENTLY uses. If you think this is just because of some button you pressed, try finishing the game. In the ARCADE MODE in Tekken Tag Tornament, try using Unknown and Jun as your two characters. They both have the same actions when chosen: crossing there arms over their chests, looking up the heavens before going back to fighting stance. Even at the start of the game, they have the exact same fighting stances.
In Unknown's Tekken Tag Tornament ending, we see her being betrayed by the wolf behind her. The wolf takes over her body but she succeeds in defeating it.
Tekken 3 prologue had stated that Jun was able to defeat Devil in a battle to save her and Kazuya's child. Meaning, Jun was the ONLY WOMAN to ever defeat Devil. In Unknown's Tekken Tag Tornament ending, she was able to defeat the devil wolf behind her, just as Jun had defeated Devil.
In the Tekken Tag Tornament ending of Ogre, we see him about to kill Jin. Then, he feels a presence and turns around. Unknown stood there, her wolf no longer with her, and she's ready to fight. It is believed that she came to protect Jin, so the possibility of her being Jun is not at all far-fetched.
In Devil's ending in Tekken Tag Tornament, he walks over to an unconscious Jun. He kneels down and stares at her then picks her up and flies away with her. This is a representation that evil had welcomed Jun into its arms.
Note Unknown and Jun's costume. Unknown's sexy suit is the same color as Devil's skin, only darker but her other costume, is a brown, tattered and burnt garment. Note the similarity to Jun's white dress.
She looks a lot like Jun. People may contradict to this, but if you imagine the time that had passed, people of course would look different. Look at Kazuya in Tekken 4. Plus, with NAMCO's ever developing CG technology, Jun has become even more beautiful and substantially thinner than in Tekken 2. Unknown, some believe, does look like Jun, only thinner. some tried super-imposing her pic and Jun's.
Some believe Jun had died after Ogre's attack. some believe She is in purgatory but there, she saw that Jin was in danger. An apparition comes before her in the form of a wolf, some fans say since she's a psychic nature girl) and offers her a second chance in life and by living, Jun can stop Ogre and find her son again. Jun agrees and the wolf possesses her.
and many fans The Devil Wolf increases her power and changes her appearance into a demonic one. She also gets the devil tattoo, just like Jin's. The Devil Wolf sort of serves as her guardian, but, at some point, Jun realizes that she was merely the wolf's puppet. Her power was greatly increased so the Devil Wolf goes against her, to possess her whole body. Unfortunately for him, Jun had become too strong and easily overpowers the Devil Wolf Spirit. The spirit disappears from behind her, which explains why we don't see it in Ogre's Tekken Tag Tornament ending.
Remember that this is just the theories from the fans. We will have to wait and see for NAMCO's full details when they release the official infos.
Contents [hide] 1 Tekken 5: Devil Within 2 Tekken Fan Thoughts: 3 Who is Angel? 4 Devil Gene 5 The Kazama Bloodline 6 Is Devil Jin A Hybrid Between Devil And Angel 7 reference
[edit] Tekken 5: Devil Within Now that we have Devil Within, many fans learn that Jun is possibly alive. Months before the release of the game, many fans had made a fanfic and was lucky enough to do what most Tekken fanfic writers can only dream about: I predicted Namco's moves. Remember that this is only a theory and is not official in any way.
Here's what some tekken fans think. After the fight with Ogre, Jun dies. Kazuya is right there in Yakushima and takes her body to G Corperation., where she will be revived. Either that, or this: Kazuya, being a devil, senses Ogre's presence and follows it to Yakushima, were he witnesses it close to killing Jun. He fights the creature off and takes Jun to G Corperation. where she could be resurrected. A theory in the Theories section (see "The Mark of the Devil") puts Kazuya right in Yakushima forest at this point in time.
However, Jun has lost a lot of blood and a blood transfusion is needed to save her life. Being that Jun has a rare blood type (AB), it was hard to find a quick donor. Luckily, Kazuya has the same blood type (also AB) and so, they initiate a blood transfusion. This introduces the Devil Gene inside Jun's veins, thus, mutating her into something similar to Jin: an angel-devil hybrid.
The introduction of the Devil Gene in her bloodstream may be the reason why Jun has a tattoo. Either that, or Kazuya made a deal with Devil to make Jun live. The reaction of the opposing genes inside her blood may be the reason why Jun's tattoo is opposite of Jin's.
Kazuya initiates a hunt for Ogre in order to avenge Jun. It is also in his nature, since he is after all, a devil (mortal enemy to Ogre), to kill the creature whatever the cost. He tracks Ogre down to the underground caverns of its temple. Kazuya had a facility of G Corperation built over the temple to prevent its escape but with the booby traps and mazes in the temple, finding Ogre was close to impossible.
To preserve her, Jun's body is encased in a cryogenic chamber, where she remained in a comatose state for six years. After all those years of research, the scientists find out that the only way to truly resurrect Jun would be to retrieve the ever powerful Ainoko Gene (named by the fans but Ainoko really means mixed blood or half-blood in Japanese): Jin's devil-angel blood (he's AB too). Kazuya sets out on a mission to retrieve this blood by entering the 4th Iron Fist Tournament, as well as getting his revenge on Heihachi.
Soon, the scientists at G Corperation. realize that Jun's hybridism (via genetic modification) is much more powerful than Kazuya's Devil Gene, just as Jin's hybridism (since birth) is also superior. Also, with Kazuya around, the scientists can't fully experiment on Jun. It is for these reasons that they betray Kazuya and send Jack models to eliminate him at Honmaru along with Heihachi. With Kazuya supposedly gone, they can finally modify Jun into the perfect bio-weapon...
[edit] Tekken Fan Thoughts: Why do they think that Kazuya is thoroughly involved in this? First thing, this site is about Jun and Kazuya and they is crazy for this couple. Next, the only people (those who knew her or confronted her) that are connected to G Corperation. that could possibly have taken her there would be Kazuya and Ogre. It would make absolutely no sense at all that Ogre take Jun's body to G Corperation since Ogre himself is being hunted down by the corporation and he ain't human. the tekken fans don't think the god of fighting would collaborate with the corporation but Kazuya certainly did. Now, Kazuya taking Jun's body to G Corperation? That makes a whole lot of sense to the tekken fans especially if you consider how they betrayed him (as explained before).
these group of tekken fans believe it's absolutely impossible that Kazuya knew nothing of Jun being in G Corperation.they say He worked there, for crying out loud! He had to know...perhaps, even more than we'll ever know. And with Devil in his body, he would surely have sensed her presence (her being an angel and all). Besides, Kazuya knew the reason why G Corperation betrayed him (which wasn't stated but like they said, they explained it before). these group of fans really couldn't think of any other reason that G Corperation betray him other than that and they couldn't think of any other reason why he'd be obsessed with his anger over them.
Some of these fans say It may be that Ogre took Jun's body to his temple to get her powers but I really don't think so since the official Namco intro of Devil Within stated that Jun was being held by a foreign laboratory, obviously G Corporation (not Ogre). Plus, angels are one of Ogre's enemies. He should've killed her there and then. And well...by the end of Devil Within, they still couldn't find Jun anywhere...even in Ogre's temple. they'll just have to wait for Tekken 6. there's a theory that puts Kazuya in Yakushima forest at the time of Jun's disappearance. Tekken 6 Rumors: they've heard from some sources that Jun WILL play a MAJOR role in the Tekken 6 Storyline. some fans also heard that she may not exactly be playable (they hope at least that she'll be like Jinpachi, a boss...or at least feature severely in FMVs but she will be playing a big role). Details are still a little sketchy, but guess that's what NAMCO wants... The Group of furam tekken fans say, if Jun plays that big a role, esp. if she's a boss, she could very likely come back as Devil Jun.
[edit] Who is Angel? Who is Angel? It might be a stupid question to ask, since we all know her to be existent in Tekken 2 and Tekken Tag Tournament. Though she was introduced as Kazuya's "other half", evidence seems to point that she and Jun are one and the same. angel is a part of kazuya's soul. now many tekken fans believe that and some dont, well, there no tekken game yet that actually states in the story in word or in scenes that angel represent kazuya's good part of his soul or is some other entity like devil.. you see in tekken 1 the game did not state that angel is apart of kazuya's soul in word nor did it show it, even in tekken 2 it did not state it in words or have shown it. the movie dont state it.. that means that it is an inference. an inference is somewhat of a theory, some thing that is infered
many of these group of fans say that NAMCO has been notorious for hiding clues. When Tekken 2 was released, no one knew that Jun and Kazuya had a thing going even though the opening sequences have very well been obvious (that's how hidden it is). In Tekken 3, nobody suspected Kazuya was alive until we saw Eddy Gordo's ending, in which we see him with pictures of Kazuya.
some of these tekken fans even say that NAMCO has their way of making fans do the detective work. And here, they done a little scrounging of their own, mostly revolving around Angel, as they said before, being one and the same with Jun Kazama. Here are they clues.
Jun was said to be the "chosen one" by her relatives but we never really know what this means until now. It could be that she is chosen to be an angel. There's also the famous speculation that she is the one chosen to break the bonds of the devil, the first angel to ever bear a child of the dark forces, thus, stopping evil from spreading.
In Angel's Tekken 2 ending, she is seen atop the Mishima Zaibatsu building. She seems to have given up on releasing Kazuya from the devil and decides to fall to her death. Thoughts of the other fighters crossed her mind until she comes to an image of Jun, followed by the defeat of the devil. In this, Angel flies back up to the moonlight. This can be seen as a representation of Jun, at a point where she almost gave up on Kazuya but found hope and finally, released him from the bonds of the devil.
In the Tekken 2 opening sequence, we see Kazuya, in his building, being hugged protectively by Angel. This too, is a representation of Jun and Kazuya's secret relationship throughout the game.
Jun's Tekken 2 ending is called "Purity" (a very substantial clue there). Though we know her to be psychic, that doesn't thoroughly explain why animals are never afraid of her. Sure, she grew up with them but it's just not possible for all animals to be taken by her. Hunters exist in those mountains too, so the animals should be wary of Jun. This is proof that she isn't exactly a normal person, but an angel in disguise.
At first, fans,thought something was going on with Angel and Kazuya because of the opening sequence. But as the forum tekken fans said before, Angel is Jun. This was proven in Tekken 3, where fans don't see Angel at all. do however, see Jin, introduced as Jun and Kazuya's son.
As they said, Angel was introduced as Kazuya's "other half". It can be taken into account that Kazuya's other half is Jun, being that they had "become one". It is quite debatable however, since other Namco info had said that Angel was awakened inside Kazuya after his encounter with Jun. Then again, Kazuya's a whole Devil. Not half.
When Jun disappeared, so did Angel. The validity of this clue used to be debatable since Kazuya himself disappeared. However, now that Kazuya has been back in action since Tekken 4, Angel is still nowhere to be seen (just as Jun is)
In Jin's Tekken 3 ending, he was gunned to death by several mercenaries. He tried to get up only to see the grandfather he trusted, fire the last shot. In his anger, Jin kills the remaining men and transforms into a devil-like creature but with the black wings of an angel, believe to be inherited from his mother's side.
In Jun's Tekken Tag Tournament ending, it shows her kneeling beside Jin and touching his forehead, taking the devil gene away from him. We see the exact same thing in Angel's ending, except she took the devil gene away from Kazuya. We all know that Jun was the one who took the evil away from Kazuya. This is further proof of Angel being Jun. You can see the comparison by downloading from the Tekken Videos section. but it is said by many that tekken tag tornament is a non canon story.
The official ending of Tekken 4 was Jin's, being that NAMCO used this for the opening sequence of Tekken 5. Jin had been captured by Kazuya (who was possessed by the devil. He somehow had this split personality going). Devil (in Kazuya) tried to take jin's devil gene and demanded that Jin join his side but then he sensed Jin's devil gene quite diminished. He asks, "Is it because of the Kazama blood?" Then, Jin awakens and tries to kill his father and grandfather but a vision of his mother stopped him. Heihachi asks why he stopped and Jin answers, "Thank my mother, Jun Kazama". Jin then flies through the roof, his black feathers floating towards the floor. And the last feather to ever fall...was a white feather.
Major spoiler alert! We all know from Angel and Jun's Tekken Tag ending that they both have the power to take the devil away. In Tekken 5's Devil Within, the story ends with Jin, indeed turning into his devil form, but there is a force that keeps him sane. That force, is assumed to be from Jun's angelic power. After all, she is alive somewhere and she's still helping her son.
Another forum fan spoiler, though it may be a little way out. all know about Asuka Kazama, right? The Kazamas, are assumed to be a clan of angels with Jun as their chosen one. In Asuka's ending, she unknowingly got rid of Jin's *devilness* with a single touch (which was exactly the same with Jun and Angel's endings in Tekken Tag Tornament)
Another thing would have to be clues from the Tekken 5 Customizations. Note that you can *somewhat* make Kazuya out to be Devil. As for Jin, you can actually turn him into an angel: from the white wings to the wee halo on his head. tekken forum fans say That's just proof that Kazuya has Devil blood and Jin, half-Angel blood (from his mother jun kazama).
So this theory from some of the tekken fans, adds that Angel and Jun are one and the same. Of course, this could be just fan speculation and stuff but they say they have my connections. they know of a person who worked on a Tekken comic book and NAMCO had approved so they got first hand infos on the characters. She told that that Jun, Angel and Unknown were one and the same. they say that If you don't believe , ask her. The only way we'll know the truth is through future Tekken games...
Then again, new rumors have risen about Jun's role in the Tekken 6 storyline. they've heard from some sources that Jun WILL play a MAJOR role in the Tekken 6 Storyline, There will also be 2 new characters added (hmmm...). they also heard that she may not exactly be playable (she might be like Jinpachi, a boss...or at least feature severely in FMVs but she will be playing a big role). Details are still a little sketchy to them..
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[edit] Is Devil Jin A Hybrid Between Devil And Angel
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DEVIL JIN IS A HYBRID BETWEEN DEVIL AND ANGEL????[edit]
User: Teriko The devil gene was born within jin because of his curse blood line but since jin is in the kazama family then he has the kazama blood which is explain by devil kazuya in tekken 4 when tryin to absorb jin's devil gene... Angel has a power that can tranform devil kazuya back to his human form which is shown on her ending in tekken tag tornament. jun has the same power because she has the same ending as angel except she transform devil jin back by touching him like angel. Devil jin has black feathered wings like an angel this could mean that jun is angel and also when jun didnt appear in the tekken series no more, also angel didnt as well, this is my theory that jun is angel. Azuka kazama, jin's cousin also appeared to have the same power as jun, this is shown in her ending in tekken 5 when she touch jin and transforming him back. If you notice devil jin appear not to look so like a devil except for his horns which makes him look like a devil, but if he did not have horns then he will look more like an angel with black feather wings. if you think about this hard enough you will catch on to this theory.
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User: Teriko. Look think about it, when jun was in kazuya life angel was watching over him but now that jun is gone, where did angel go.... And why was orge so interested with jun? Jin is half and half between devil and angel, and jun didnt defeat devil own her own angel helped her defeat devil. tekken tag tournament is not my prove, every body knows that jun has the same power like angel common sense would come to anybody mind that,that is true. Now if I'm wrong then tell me how this theory is destroyed, you can't tell me that i'm wrong, please study tekken and read between the lines ok.
User: Ace jackson. teriko is right every thing he is saying is right, if people think real hard they will know the real answers that can never be answer except by the people who created the game series.
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User: Teriko. OK ok ok, for your information, if you played tekken 5, in devil jin's story it says he is being control by the devil gene, look up the list of tekken minor characters or G corperation on wikipedia.com And please read the whole article, and you can look that up for your self, and if you read jun's article it do say that she defeat devil with the help of angel.. ok let's talk about devil jin, if you played tekken 5 you should know some of devil jin's personality, for one thing his stage is a church, now why would a devil be in a church, and when ever you begin a match with devil jin he quotes, Fear the wrath of God, Why would such devil have the words of God in his present so that mean that he is both angel and devil. To let you know that kazuya's devil is not controling jin's devil gene, jin's devil is kazuya's devil son so if incase you didnt know that there more than one devil, AGAIN PLEASE LOOK UP THE LIST OF TEKKEN MINOR CHARACTERS OR G CORPERATION ON www.wikipedia.com, jinpaichi, and heihachi tekken dark resurrection stories, you need to study tekken story game secrets.. For more prove that devil jin is hybrid between devil and angel, jun has a spiritual power known as the angel gene, there's not much information but it has been mention in the series. Also if you look at the video clip of jin's ending on tekken 4 when he see a vision of his mother he tell heihachi to thank his mother jun kazama and flies out of honmaru then a lot of jin's black feathers fall to the floor and one small white feather falls to the center, PLEASE LOOK AT THAT ENDING.
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User: Ace jacksonlook all i know is that he is a hybrid between devil and angel, soon yall will know the truth about devil and angel because some fans of this game think just like i do, you guys on the other hand still havin prove solit facts about yall theory so the truth will come, where i come from we know all the facts even from some of the people who had part and created these games, you guys need to find unknown site on this what i'm talking about is true, so no matter what yall say, its what it is yall probaly dont even know who even started the devil gene do you yall need some series catching up on this, jinpachi know who really started it because it really didnt start from kazuya, well theres no reason to explain that because yall gone keep on coming up with stupid reason about it so whatever. another thing devil kazuya and devil jin is going to fight incase if yall didnt know that so tell me if devil is controling jins devil then why would they fight well theres no reason to explain that, and who came up with angel is another half with kazuya is dumb angel is just a spirit that was sent down to pertect kazuya from devil, think real hard if theres a devil blood runing in mishima family its a opposite to it too which is kazama blood. JUST KNOW THAT IM RIGHT THAT ALL. fro some prove that some fans think like i do go to google search in type in jin kazama vs Akira yuki you will finds some information about it.
User: TerikoLook devil jin is a hybrid. you guys need to look at the other side, if you read devil jin article it says he is being control by the devil gene, READ HIS ARTICLE!, now kazama blood has a relation with angel because, they both can repell the devil gene by touching one with the devil gene. AND HECKO,OR WHAT EVER YO NAME IS, devil lost apart of himself when heihachi through him down the vocano,and devil's other half is not controling jin, its the DEVIL GENE you dumb ass boy, READ READ! OK READ BETWEEN THE LINES.. exuse me. The devil gene is the Devil it self not the same devil, devil jin and devil is two defferent Devils, both devils refurre them selfs as the devil if you know the story RIGHT. angel is not apart of kazuya that was a statement from fans because if angel was apart of kazuya then where is she? were did angel go? why is she not in kazuya? angel's last appearance alone with unknown and jun kazama was on tekken 3 and when jun came up missing you didnt see angel no more, unknown no more, if you think real hard when jun was around kazuya angel was around kazuya and even if i dont have prove, the secrets will be reveal when tekken the movie come out in the mids of 2008 or 2009, and if you watch the first movie then you should know. so look man I'm sorry for cursing you out, but you have to understand that every story has a secret that must be found out.
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I'm pretty sure that was a little kid...--Cojin 02:29, 31 January 2008 (PST)
User: TerikoAlright, I'm sorry. OK, now look at it this, now i know this story deosnt have relations of what me and you is talking about but read carfully please. The King of Iron Fist Tournament 2 Draws to a close. Jun Kazama comes to the stunning realization that Kazuya's supernatural strength stems from Devil. BUT SHE CANNOT HELP BEING DRAWN TO HIM, PROPELLED BY A MYSTIC FORCE BEYOND HER CONTROL. Several days later, the final challenger arrives to face Kazuya, the organizer of the King of Iron Fist Tournament 2. In a reprise of the first Tekken Tournament, the father and son clash in a cursed blood battle. Eventually, Heihachi emerges scarred but victorious to regain control of the immense Mishima Conglomerate. Unaware of Devil's presence, Heihachi casts the lifeless Kazuya into a fiery volcano.
As Kazuya's body burns, the Devil appears before the pregnant Jun Kazama in a bid to enter the soul of the new life beating within her. But in a desperate struggle for the future of her child, Jun defeats Devil and retires to desolate Yakushima so as to raise Kazuya's son, Jin, alone.
Having regained control of the Mishima Conglomerate, Heihachi sets about to further increase his powers. He embarks on a crusade to win the trust of world leaders by putting wars and conflicts to rest. Using his immeasurable wealth, he forms Tekkenshu, a mercenary group employed to quell conflicts efficiently. He also takes a strong interest in the well being of developing nations by helping them build agricultural systems that will sustain them. Through Heihachi's efforts, the world appears to be regaining peace.
Around fifteen years have passed and Jin Kazama is now 15 years old.
Under Heihachi's orders, the Tekkenshu are excavating a Central American archeological site when they discover a mysterious life form. Heihachi orders the creature's capture, but loses contact with the Tekkenshu after a garbled radio message, "... they are all dead... Toshin (Fighting God)?!..."
Upon arriving at the dig, Heihachi finds a field of corpses. Heihachi is wracked by sorrow, but also realizes that the power of the mysterious life form could be the key to his long dormant dream of world domination. To obtain this mysterious power of Toshin, and the world, Heihachi tempts the fates once again...
Within weeks, strange disappearances occur throughout the world. Persons of strong soul, masters of martial arts and other derivative fighting disciplines are reported missing... with no knowledge of their whereabouts.
Jun Kazama instinctively picks up on the dark power encroaching on her life. She has no understanding of what it is, but senses that she has become a target. Accepting her destiny, she tells Jin everything she knows of their haunted past to prepare him for the fateful day she now feels is imminent. She tells Jin to go to his grandfather Heihachi if anything befall her.
Her intuition proves right on a cold, stormy night. Toshin comes to the mountains bringing a chilling, swirling wind. "Run away!" cries Jun. But against his mother's pleas Jin opts to face Toshin and is knocked unconscious.
When Jin awakens, the house and everything around it is burned to the ground. Jin searches frantically for his mother but she is nowhere to be found.
Jun has died at Toshin's hands. Honoring her instructions, Jin goes to Heihachi and begs to be trained in order exact revenge. Heihachi, hearing Jin's tale, is convinced that Toshin is after the souls of powerful fighters. To attract Toshin, Heihachi decides to host the King of Iron Fist Tournament 3.
Four years later, on Jin Kazama's 19th birthday, the curtains rise for the King of Iron Fist Tournament 3.
this story minsion a mysterous toshin, that toshin seeks people with strong souls and spirit within them, like jun kazama, that toshin is orge, A being that seeks people with strong supernatural powers, like jun kazama kazuya mishima, jin kazama, but the toshin's target was jun kazama. many fans ignore this story, but jun has a mystic force beyond her control that draws her to kazuya, a stong spirit thats within her, she is being propelled by a strong mystic force beyond her control, Can you tell me what that means? if you want to know where i got this story from go to http://www.tekkenzaibatsu.com/tekken3/_profile.php.... but there is something in jun that draws her to kazuya, a mystic force, could that be angel? What is that mystic Force? And what does the toshin orge see inside her that he wants? And is jun really dead? can you anwser these questions?
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I'd have to agree with hecko on this because...
- Kazuya sold his soul to devil so that he had the power to defeat heihachi in tekken 1.
- Angel fought over kazuya's soul with devil but even if she was another entity it mentions nothing of her being jun.
- Although jin was born with the devil gene he did not inherit the other half of devil until just before tekken 3(as shown in the tekken 3 intro branding him with the mark on his arm)
- Yes ogre/toshin attacked jun but he also attacked many fighters (bruce,wang,baek and king..although now t5 is out it is shown most were not attacked and if so were not killed up until tekken 3 this was the story.)
- The mysterious force could have been anything it could just be that she felt she had to save someone in such dire need(kazuya)
- TTT Isnt canon else we could say kazuya was never dead and came back to fight and would also mean ogre/true ogre which proved wrong in t4 as kazuya was brought back to life by Gcorp and as jin was in australia heihachi needed kazuyas body and was shocked to see he was still alive.
- Its been mentioned here plenty of times but watch all of the mishimas endings in t4 (including jin) and theres so much supporting the fact that devil jin is the half that devil left in him just before t3, and kazama blood is special but no substantial proof of this being angel has been confirmed. Also jins vision of jun could be hallucinating from devil gene, juns soul or maybe jin fighting back devil jin wih something that would calm him(image of his mother)
- I have read so much of this now juns gone angels gone, but if kazama blood was the angel why were she not in t5 representing asuka? and why in t2 does angel fight with devils/kazuyas mishima fighting style (though i can see this could be down to asthetic value as she is a costume swap.)
- The church for devil jin looks to be down to the fact its atmospheric as i couldnt see devil jin fighting anywhere else bar maybe one of the final stages(though if you take into account the fact jin won t5 then the appearance of devil jin in a church is non canon anyway.) I am open to suggestions as to what posessed jinpachi (either another part of devil, maybe the devil spirit that flew up in t3 intro, possibly ogre though unlikely, maybe sumthing entirely different.)As i am willing to believe that whether it was jin or devil jin that won the tournament they are both in the same body and so perhaps both their t5 endings are correct.
- The feathered wings hmmm, tricky, it could be for asthetic value or that he has kazama blood. It could be that everyone has an angel but seen as its only the mishimas who have the devil gene so far they are the only one who need it. Theres always a chance that namco may alter their stories so angel is a seperate entity/angel jun making devil jin a hybrid but...well.."DEVIL jin" (not angel devil jin)and angel hasn't even been mentioned outside of tekken 2 with the exception of TTT which is purely a non-canon gameplay tekken.
Anyway theres ten points on why i am 95% sure jin is not a hybrid and why jun isn't angel ive played all the games but dont own TTT no more. Wonder how ling is sposed to save jin without kazama blood? (or maybe she is but no one knows yet, maybe she is the angel?)
User: Ace jacksonyou know maybe you right about this but i think that she is i dont know how to prove it very well but i just think that she is angel. you said that jinpachi was possesed by devil or something else, well if you have tekken dark ressrection on psp,in haihachi story he states that his father jinpachi has the devil blood so that means that, thats a way different devil then kazuya or jins devil, i really dont know man, all i know is what i think, in thats jun in angel has a relationship.
this is my prove about devil angel, jin, kazuya ,and jun:
.::Kazuya & Jun: Love, Hate or A Night's Stand::.
I will always remember the raised eyebrows when I, and probably all other Tekken players, found out about Jin's lineage. His parents were Kazuya and Jun...two people one wouldn't really see together save except for the heck of pairing two characters together for a fan fiction--much like JuliaxJin. Up to this point we all knew and liked Kazuya for the cold blooded son of a gun that would destroy anything in his way. But then Namco surprise us even though in Jun's profile we know that she entered the tournament to free Kazuya of the evil spirit, Devil. Truth be told, no one saw this one coming.
So what do we know about Kazuya and Jun?
Kazuya had defeated his father, Heihachi, two years ago in Tekken 1 and had since taken over the Zaibatsu, bringing it towards arms making and what not. He had altogether disappeared from the public eye with mere rumors about his ruthless nature and his power being the closest people came to knowing him. Upon finding out that Heihachi was still alive, Kazuya held the Tekken 2 tournament and as expected Heihachi entered to clobber his son and get back what was "his".
Officially, Jun entered the tournament to free Kazuya of Devil and investigate the animal kidnapping (done by Kazuya). It isn't stated at all if she fell in love with him at first sight...in fact even as the tournament was drawing to a close and she had fully realized that he was possessed by Devil, she was "drawn" to him. So it wasn't love at first sight. In fact it even states that she was "propelled by a mystic force beyond her control". I'll get to this later on. As of now all we know is that even towards the end of the tournament she was drawn powerfully towards Kazuya and eventually slept with him.
Kazuya's reaction to Jun is never mentioned even once by Namco. We don't know whether he loved her, hated her, was really attracted to her. We don't know anything. All we know is that he slept with her. Rape is out of question because Jun was officially drawn to him which resulted in her eventually getting impregnated by him. Even her ending is called "purity" which should be hint enough. Keep in mind that Jun's ending is a canon ending as she returns to Yakushima where fifteen years later Jin's prologue would take place. Also Jun was perfectly at peace and even happy in her Tekken 2 ending and I seriously doubt a woman who got raped would be that calm, especially not someone as sensitive as Jun. So yes, rape is out of question.
However, Namco constantly avoiding to mention Kazuya's feelings towards Jun is probably similar to the way Cloud's love for either Tifa or Aeris is never mentioned: the reason being that Namco don't want to alienate either of Kazuya fans...those who love him as an evil son of a bitch and those who love him simply because he is badass and complex.
In any case, hate seems to be out of question. Why?
Canon wise, Angel was fighting with Devil to save Kazuya's soul. Keeping aside the argument that Jun is Angel, one has to wonder how his good side awakened. Canon wise it was his contact with Jun Kazama that brought out some of his lost goodness which is represented by Angel in the game. So yes, this good side that was awakened in him did actually happen and is canon. With Devil still having a hold over Kazuya's soul, Kazuya had to struggle between the two extremes but eventually Angel and Devil both had equal hold over him which made Kazuya a relatively good person. Now think about it:
Jun was the person who brought out Kazuya's good side. It obviously means that Kazuya's reaction to her was positive. It couldn't be just sexual attraction or a one night stand because that isn't good or pure. I doubt wanting to just have a woman for one passionate night is bringing out one's good side. We also know that he did eventually sleep with her. All things point towards the fact that Kazuya was in love with Jun at this point and it was this love that had made caused his good side to be rekindled and their sleeping together was "lovemaking" in every sense of the word.
As for Jun, she was officially attracted to Kazuya having being "propelled by a mystic force beyond her control". Now this "mystic force" has been a matter of debate for a long time now. Who or what is it? Devil? Angel? Love it self? Destiny? Fate?
It really can't be Devil. In Tekken 4 we see that half of him was transferred to Jin making him weaker. Now why would Devil go through the trouble of making Jun fall in love with Kazuya, make him sleep with her only so that he could become weaker?! It doesn't make sense. Not even by Namco storyline standards. Keep in mind also that Asuka, who also possess the Kazama blood, had to do as little as touch Jin to completely wipe Jin's Devil traces. Kazama blood clearly cancels out Devil influence which would explain why Devil's hold on Kazuya weakened when Jun came in the picture, and why Kazuya's good side was rekindled. And going with it, it again explains why Kazuya clearly loved her.
It is highly possible that it was Angel. Angel was there to save Kazuya from Devil and fully rekindle his good side. To do this she "used" Jun and with Kazuya falling in love with her, his good side was brought out. Officially his good side WAS brought out to the point that Devil and Angel were in equal control over him. Angel brought the two of them together to motivate Kazuya further to push the darkness away. As of yet it makes perfect sense that it would be Angel and NOT Devil as mentioned above.
That is another thing that Angel is supposedly a representation of Jun Kazama herself. Though she is said to Kazuya's good side, a lot of facts point towards the Jun theory having merit:
1- Angel is a female. Why would Kazuya's goodness be of the form of a woman (sexism! lol)?
2- Angel is supposed to be a nemesis of Devil and is its polar opposite. Kazama blood is shown to have the power to cancel out Devil influence hence they are one and the same. Shown in TTT, T4 and T5.
3- Jun was the chosen one.
4- the fact that their prologues are identical at the end of the day. Jun is to "exorcise" the Devil from Kazuya while Angel is "vying over his soul". Both of them are actually the same thing said in different ways when we think about it.
5- In the second last scene of the Tekken2 intro, we see Kazuya standing staring at the city from the high-rise building. His eyes are blood red like how they are when he is under Devil's influence. Behind him, Angel is standing with her arms around him protectively. Devil is shown to be internally existing in Kazuya (blood red eyes) but Angel is shown as an external influence (standing behind him with). Why would this be if they both are supposed to be "parts" of him. Clearly Angel is NOT a part of him but an outside being...Jun.
6- The fact that Angel is shown in the T2 intro as an illusion further solidifies the fact that she is a representation of Jun rather than an independent entity herself.
7- In Jun's TTT ending, she touches Jin and wipes away his Devil influence (just like Asuka does to Jin in her T5 ending). In Angel's TTT ending, she touches Kazuya and wipes away his Devil influence. Heck they even smile the same way! Obvious and clear hint!
Lots of people support the "Devil was the Mystic force" theory because of his TTT ending where he is shown gently lifting a dead/unconscious Jun and flying away. Obviously these people forget the fact that the Kazama's cancel out Devil's influence. It is shown more than once (TTT Jun ending, T5 Asuka ending). Even in T4 when Devil is trying to merge with the part of him in Jin, the Kazama blood stops it from happening...keep in mind that the blood stopped this from happening even though the host of the body, Jin, was unconscious. Obviously Kazama blood has a "natural" response to Devil and it takes place without a conscious effort on the part of the person. This is also shown in Asuka's ending where she changes Jin back to his normal self even thought she is clearly doing it without realizing what she is doing.
In Devil's TTT, he is obviously supposed to be a representation of Kazuya. By the time he came in contact with her his traces should have been wiped out completely making Kazuya take owner ship of his body back from Devil (its a split personality thing as explained here). However, since Devil and Kazuya are one and the same, Kazuya doesn't change to his normal self as is the case with Jin, the same way Kazuya doesn't become Devil EVERY TIME he is under Devil's control (Kazuya T4 ending for example). We see Kazuya gently lift up an unconscious Jun and fly away with her safely in his arms.
If Kazuya hated Jun why didn't he just leave her there?
If Kazuya was such a rapist why didn't he just bang her right there and then? She was obviously defenseless at time.
It is pretty obvious that Kazuya and Jun were clearly lovers...at least during the Tekken 2 days. While it is true that we don't hear Kazuya even mentioning Jun's name since his return in Tekken2 we can't take this as a reason for him not loving her. There are many reasons:
1- Canon wise, Jun is dead by now.
2- him reminiscing about Jun would be totally out of character as far as his in-game persona goes.
3- its the same case as it is with Cloud, Tifa and Aeris. Half of his fans want him to be with Tifa while the other half want him to be with Aeris. In order NOT to alienate either of the fans, they have kept quiet on the matter. Same way, half of Kazuya's fans love him for the badass that he is while the others love him for being a badass AND his complex personality.
4- most of his in-game cut scenes are with people he hates or doesn't care about and since T4 he has been rather pissed in all the parts of the game as the story of the games have been too serious for "sentimental scenes". now say something now
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Sure should but i think some of all these facts fall on death ears, two things that could or could not show angel as being totally not jun...
First isn't a fact but is a good comparison: Devil while being purple and winged still vaguely resembles kazuya, jun does not look anything like angel it would be safer to say she is unknown even if ttt is non-canon.
The second is hard to explain but il try, playing as devil through tekken 2 you face jun as the sub boss great ok nothing strange there, then you go to fight kazuya yeah, then (although this could be just the fact that devil has no 2p costume) angel rises as the final boss. It seems much more likely that kazuyas good side/angel has surfaced in a final battle with devil than jun coming to the rescue as an angel (especially as it appears that angel rises from the ground, perhaps showing this for the fact kazuya has been knocked out?)
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Devil Jin has black wings to make him more pretty xD (well bat wings don't look so nice on people...) Jaewonnie 16:29, 15 March 2008 (PDT)
I think most jun=angel people rely on the fact they see Jin in t4 shed a white feather after flying away and such, but it is still a theory. EVOLUTION: a theory. but it is taught as fact. Jun is Angel: theory. but many assume it's fact. Most people rely on evolution's theory to explain the inexplicable. Tekken fans rely on their speculation to explain the loop-holes. --Ur-Noob19:53, 24 March 2008 (PDT)
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Devil Jin Is A Hybrid Between Devil And Angel part 2[edit]
User: Ace jackson:theres a comic book called tekken forever on this exact site, go to tekken forever and you will know that angel has relations with jun, just type tekken forever on the search bar see it for yourself.
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User:Ace jackson:ooops tekken forever is just a comic made by namco is real and it is a canon, thats sad hecko.... O i didnt mean that they were related i meant that they had relations with each other. basicly the comic is just telling that angel and jun has relations and the story if people pay very close to the story they would know alot of things about tekken.
ADMIN EDITS: Rest of the post was a direct copy/paste of the entire Devil Gene article, and the section "Desctription" of the Azazel article with no alterations or emphasis of any kind. These have therefore been removed and linked to.
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User:Ace jackson:i understand wat u guys are sayin but who the say that u are a 100% right on the story no body really knows the story well its all in a mix puzzle, u see first everybody said that kazuya started the devil cursed but wen tekken 4 came out it was now a gene which means it pass on to one person to a another, then jinpachi came along the story and stated his last words to his best friend that he must stop his evil blood line which was long time ago, Kazuya had his encounter with the devil later to be known as Devil by name when he was about 5 years old, making it roughly the same time as Jinpachi came in contact with the devil that possessed him or just a few years earlier.The Devil Gene is a genetical abnormality isolated in the people of the Mishima bloodline. While the exact specifications of this gene are never truly explained, it is generally assumed that the gene allows for a person to have a symbiosis or a parasite/host type relationship with a malignant spirit refered to as a "devil" as well as having it (the gene) control the transformations of one to the other. jun and asuka are both in the same family and both possesses the same ablity having the power to transform both kazuya and jin back to they normal state which has that same blood which is why he might have the black wings now whos to say that might not be a gene, hey it might be. as for azazel nobody really know how or were he come from even thow he possesses the same abilties as as all the devils. the fact is, is that this hold story comes in pieces of puzzles, but wat i know is wat i know and wat u know is wat u know, and i think that i am right and you think that im wrong.
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User:Ace jackson: thats exactly wat i mean jun and asuka are in the same family which is kazuma and kazuya and jinpachi are in the same family which is mishima. read jun on wikipedia and u would know that angel is also jun good half, read her Occupation on the right side.
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Devil Jin Is A Hybrid Between Devil And Angel Part 3/ What is the devil gene???[edit]
Teriko
Admin edit: This post has been edited because it contained nothing but copy/pasted material several thousand units long with no alterations, additions, or even a point in sight. The original post was in two sections, the first being a copy/paste from the Wikipedia section on the Devil Gene, the second being a copy/paste of the Tekkenpedia's own article on the Devil Gene.
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User: Teriko. ok now, if you guys read the devil gene, you would understand that the devil gene did not start from kazuya it started from jinpachi, kazuya's grandfather and heihachi's father, but in wang's prologue story board on tekken 5, its says that jinpachi's last words to him was that he must put a end to his evil blood line, that means that he was on the same mission as jin.. Some people think that jin, kazuya and jinpachi sure the same devil spirit but if you read the devil gene page on this very web page it will tell you that they have defferent devils, by means that the devil gene controls them, they have devil genetics. genes are small bloods cell that are within chromsomes that determines the plant or animal characteristics.. And if you read the charater Devil's page on wikipedia.com or this web page it will say, only the devil that inhabits kazuya's body is refer to as just Devil... Read more on wikipedia.com and this very web page, look up devil gene,the character Devil,and devil jin.. As for the character angel Ace is kind of right i'm sayin this because he's my brother but you have to read and understand the story of tekken, its not that this imformation is facts is just that if you read the event of angel and jun they have the same mission and that to save kazuya's soul, now i know what your thinking, jun did not enter the tournament to save kazuya's soul at first,, but she enter to arrest kazuya and found her self intimated with kazuya, and if you read jun's page on wikipedia.com it will say that jun is highly psychic meaning that she felt the devil gene in kazuya threaten to take control.. also when jun desapeared from kazuya's life, angel desapeared from kazuya's life, i'm sayin that they are the same person but there is a connection,.. Please look up Jun Kazama on wikipedia.com it will suggest that jun is like an angel and she will not give up tryin to free kazuya from the devil just like angel.... I'll be updating, my name is Teriko I'm the triplet brother to Ace
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User:Ace jackson:Angel is just kazuya's guardian Angel, she was sent down from the heavens to save kazuya's soul because she is his guardian angel, not cause she is part of him. that statement was writin on wikipedia.com some time ago, but somebody erase her original article. And reason why jun have something to do with angel is because its juns destiny to save kazuya's soul, so why not work together on the same mission they both have the same mission and power, remember with the help of angel jun won against devil, jun cant beat devil by her self. And in case if you didnt know the devil curse was way long before in the mishima family blood line, what im sayin is that jinpachi's last words before comin up missin was to stop his evil blood line, the question is who was he talking about wen he made that statement jinrei wang in tekken 5, he wasnt talking about kazuya because he was to young, so who he was referring to who had the devil gene beside kazuya, and heihachi cant start devil gene by throwing somebody down a cliff, i mean come on its a gene. theres a lot of theories you know, its possible that angel is off of juns power, meaning jun has great power and are the chosing one, great power can create great thing, which works off the mind.
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User: Teriko Look hecko, I know you mad but dont take it seriously. You guys are going by the game events, and if you go to tekken.com it doesnt tell tekken 2 story not the whole thing anyways, it doesnt say angel is apart of kazuya s. And whats up with you saying jun got rape, yeah i remember when you said jun got rape when we where in devil jin discussion. jun did not get rape she was intimate with kazuya, meaning they where in love or sexually active torward one another.. I"M not finish yet but i ggot to go i'll finish telling you guys later about tekken stories . wait i bet you guys dont know kazuya's mother's name....
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User:Teriko, 1. angel is a part of kazuya's soul. now many people believe that and some dont, well name a tekken game where it actually states that, in words or from namco.. you see in tekken 1 the game did not state that angel is apart of kazuya's soul in word nor did it show it, even in tekken 2 it did not state it in words or have shown it. heck the movie dont state it.. that means that it is an inference. an inference is somewhat of a theory, something that is infered, meaning someone infered that angel is apart of kazuya's soul because they didnt know the story right so they assume that angel is apart of kazuya's soul. In what game does it says that angel is kazuya's good part of his soul, and what games does it actually state in words that angel is apart of kazuya's soul.. some people think that angel is apart kazuya soul because angel share the same character square with devil and that they are two entities within kazuya's soul, now kuma and panda share the same character square but does that mean they are two entities that is sharing a bear's body, eddy and christy share the same character square but does that mean that they are two entities sharing a human's body
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sorry but I'm talking about the tekken series.. it deosnt state that in None of the tekken series. kenshi tschi one of the orgin producer, told me that I will find the answers if I had the complete series of tekken then I will have all the answers I need, it is there, meaning games and comics, i have them all. and it deosnt tell angel story except for tekken forever,.. I'm a web disigner, with my studies, I've recently found out that some of the tekken web site is made by fans.. I'm sorry but that is just a conclusion that angel is apart of kazuya's soul, you see someone made an inference that Angel was apart of kazuya's soul, in the tekken stories it doesnt really say where angel's really from. now my conclusions is posted on my page, i have theories but they are not facts. but think about the kazama family, in the series the kazamas have been shown to have the ability to reverse the devil gene, why is that? that takes me back when jun defeats devil, how did she do it? how did a mere woman defeat the devil? is it because she in the kazama family or she has the kazama blood. same with asuka kazama, she touch jin and he turn back from his devil form, why is the kazamas the opposite of the mishimas? interesting huhn, thats why I have the theory that angel has a aqantance with the kazamas... why is it that kazuya has an angel with his soul and jin dont? jin has the devil gene and the kazama blood which is shown to have an affect on his devil gene in tekken 4 when the devil in kazauya tries to transform jin into his devil but his kazama blood stops it. Devil seem to be aware of the kazama blood as if he knew about it, as if he knew what it can do.. I see that I have to still find the answers, but they are there..
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as a matter fact I am 18 yrs old and I go to el centro college in dallas texas, I'm learning how to build web pages, and taking medical classes.... tekkenZaibatsu is unofficial and not affiliated to namco. Tekken and it's characters are a registered trademark and copyright of namco, and tekken official is made by namco, if you read about the sites you will know... Now you seem to mis understood me, I said those are just theories that i have, not facts, I'm not saying that angel's relation with jun is a fact, I said that it is a inference, meaning conclusion... and if you would know officially namco didnt have an origin article for angel.
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look i'm sorry I burst your bubble dude,... I'm sayin that before you read something you should know where its coming from dude,.. look man I was tryin to let you look at it from my side of the conclusion that is all, but if you want a producer to tell you then... She told that that Jun, Angel and Unknown were one and the same. they say that If you don't believe , ask her. Her e-mail is [email protected]. The only way we'll know the truth is through future Tekken games... its just as simple as that.
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...is it just me, or do most arguments on this site have to do with the Devil Gene? --Rai
ok, I'm way ahead of you guys... you see, namco is going to reveal the secret about the kazama family in asuka kazama story in the future.. and when they do, you guys are going to feel crunchy. and dont try to say namco change they story because they already wrote it.
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dude its not going to change the fact that, namco is going to reveal the secrets behind the kazama family, Katsuhiro Harada Already said that the only way fans we'll know about the kazamas and the mishimas is through the futures of tekken games. there nothing you got that can change what namco already made.. All the inferences all the conclusions about tekken will be reveal, some inferences and conclusion will be true some will not.. its only a matter of time.. and hecko there nothing you say that going to change it, nothing dude. End
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ok, I didnt know that you was taking this personal dude, honest to God I didnt know you was taking this to a personal level hecko, now I'm just going go to my page and finish my tekken sources for those who dont have personal problems about this... I'm sorry hecko if offended you. just dont take this on a personal level dude, this is tekken we're talking about... Now I'm going to make have of my page about a new title I came up with call tekken theories, feel free to check it out if you want or keep a watch out on it,.. later dude
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Jesus Christ
- Right, this ends here. You can write whatever theories you like on your own talk/user page however I don't want you inciting people on the site. Hecko, just ease off a bit. Samuel 02:41, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm sorry, i didnt mean any harm, i didnt mean to offend you hecko, i didnt know that this upsetting you
Kazama bloodline[edit]
Kazama bloodline[edit]
The section kazama blood was made to review all people who possess it, and have been shown to use it regardless of it being non canon. Tekkenpedia is base on all tekken source not just the game series. Everything should be made revelant about the kazama blood in the tekken series, meaning games, spin off, movies, and books, everything about tekken. User: Teriko
- The article is about the Devil Gene, not the Kazama Bloodline. A section about everyone in the Kazama family, just listing them without purpose, is in no way relevant for this specific article. This is why it was rewritten as simply a "Kazama Bloodline" section. --Hecko 12:27, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
- (EDIT) As for the removal of non-canon, it is because it bears little to no significance to how the Devil Gene works. Consider the nature of the article; that Angel appears as a character seperate from Jun in Tekken Forever holds no relevance to information concerning the Devil Gene whatsoever, since we don't know how she would affect it in the continuity of the comic. Also, for the TTT part, since we know Angel is part of Kazuya's soul (as per her Japanese T2 bio), Angel would not be considered an "external force", but would rather qualify as suppression through force of will, which is already described in the article. --Hecko 12:43, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
In the tekken japanese and english game story the character Angel, has not been shown to have a "internal force" or will within kazuya, in the japanese and englsih story the character was express as a "external force".
Many website such as sunlightyellow.com, and tekken zabatsu.com whom has no affiliation with namco has Infer The character Angel's role to be a "internal force" or will within kazuya, because the character Devil was express as a "internal force" or will within kazuya. The japanese and english versions of Tekken 1 and Tekken 2 never officially had written out bios or scripts, nor did they have narrative prologues. ruling out the fact that the story was "express" through images and cameos, english and japanese fans wanting to know about angel and devil begin to make and build inferences and conclusions base on the characters expressions and roles in the story later websites where build by these fans and there work to collect as much source they can on angel and devil. After the events of Tekken 3, Tekken 4 came out explaining the character Devil's role in the story, as a curse or a genetic that pass down through the mishima bloodline known as the Devil Gene. Namco has not yet explain the Character Angel's role in japanese and english the story. In the new Tekken 6 scenario mode, it has a prologue that summarizes Tekken 1-6, at the begining of the summary its doesn't mention angel or devil's role in the story, later in the summary they mention Devil's role as the Devil Gene, but where is Angel in the summary. "Again" namco has yet to explain Angel's role in the japanese and english game story. This give the point that Angel has no bio in the japanese and english game. Name one official japanese or english namco website that holds the official bio of angel? User: Teriko
I can't, since all have been removed when they got to old. Now, you name one official Namco Japanese or English website that holds the official bio of anyone as they appeared in Tekken 3. Doesn't exist anymore? Guess that means the T3 bios are not official then either. How about any official site for Tekken 4? That should be easier since it's a newer game and for a newer console. What's that? No official website for Tekken 4 containing character bios exist either? Guess the Tekken 4 bios aren't official either then.- Now, here comes a really funny thing I want you to think about. Look at the official Japanese Namco website for Tekken 6 and look at any character bio. Now go look at the character bio for the same character on the T6 subpage on sunlightyellow. Did you notice how they're exactly the same? Now, try doing it for Tekken 5. Again, exactly the same. It was the same thing a few years back when Namco still had a T4 site. So what does this mean? It means that sunlightyellow recorded the official information as published by Namco (which it btw has been doing since 1997). So while the site is created by a fan, the information is derived from Namco. The site doesn't use any information found within the games whatsoever.
- Now, I obviously can't say with 100% certainty what exact page or source it has for its information since all old Namco websites have been removed, but doesn't it strike you as the least bit odd that a page containing a bio, which has remained unchanged for over a decade, is confirmed to contain true information by a game released 12 years later if it was all just inferral by fans and without any shred of official information..? Or are you now gonna claim that the dude who adds the information to the site is psychic?
- Yes, sure, there -does- exist a possibility that it's all just inferral and the guy who added it was SUPER good at guessing which is why everything coincidentally was correct, I can't deny that. However, the possibility of the opposite being true, that the bios are recordings of information then released Namco. And then there's of course the third, much more unlikely option that it was all fan-speculation, but Namco figured it sounded pretty good, and then decided to make it canon. (EDIT) http://www.bandainamcogames.co.jp/cs/list/tekken2/devil.html OH SNAP!! PWNED!! --Hecko 23:25, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
I'm not talkin about what true and what's not true, I'm talking about angel role in the story. I'm not saying that sunlightyellow is wrong. You see according to your imformation, your articles says that"before the concept of the Devil Gene, Devil and Angel was spiritual". I quote: now that has change, Devil is now a genetic blood. Now one could say that the concept of Angel may have change too. example according to Tekkenpedia imformation, the devil gene is generally assumed that the gene allows for a person to have a symbiosis or a parasite/host type relationship with a malignant spirit refered to as "Devil" as well as having it (the gene). Therefore kazuya have to have the genes to connect with a benign spirit refered to as "Angel" as well as having it (the gene). According to Tekken 4 When G corperation found kazuya's body, they descover the genes of a devil not an angel. So when the Devil Gene was first introduce to the tekken series, it throw out the theory of angel being apart of kazuya's soul. User: Teriko
- LULZ!! "I'm not talkin about what true and what's not true". If you aren't, then why make such a big point of that sunlightyellow is only fan-theory and not anything official and thus can't be trusted?
- Anywho, exactly what happened with Angel and how she now fits into the retconned story (if she exists in it at all) is completely unknown since she's never re-appeared and no further explanation given. However, fact remains that in Tekken 2, her official Japanese bio states that she is inseparable from Devil, thus making her as much a part of Kazuya's soul as Devil was/is. --Hecko 01:48, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
I don't know about the japanese version, I am only referring to the US english version. Tekkenpedia is an US english website, so it only go by the US english Tekken source. There is no Tekkenpedia japanese, there is only tekkenpedia english..... Anyways, since the concept of the Devil Gene was introduce, angel being apart of kazuya's soul is non canon to the present story, even in the japanese version. Because Devil is now refered to as the devil gene, the concept of Angel is unknown to the present story, because, remember according to your imformation before the Devil Gene, it was considered spiritual thus making angel apart of kazuya's soul, but that all change when later the entity known as Devil was reveal to be a gene or genetics, because of this concept angel is not apart of kazuya's soul in the present story of tekken. User: Teriko
User:Faeli34 Wow this is a interesting convo
- Tekkenpedia is a US English Website, which means we write in the English language. It doesn't mean that we ignore all the facts of information that are provided by the original Japanese version of the games.
- Also, I believe you've sorely misunderstood something. Devil is not refered to as the Devil Gene, the two things are completely different matters and Kazuya's T4 ending makes that abundantly clear. Devil is an independent existance that lives within Kazuya and Jin, while the Devil Gene is a genetic mutation/anormality. While one thing leads to the other becoming possible, they aren't the same thing. Similar to HIV and AIDS; while contracting HIV will inevitably lead to getting AIDS, they aren't the same thing. --Hecko 04:39, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
I get what you are saying, with the HIV/AIDS concept. You are saying that Devil's existence independently lives within kazuya and jin, while the devil gene is a mutated genetic within them. According to your imformation, this means that the entity known as "Devil" lives within both kazuya and jin, like a spirit living in two people, while having the mutated gene itself. But that's not case, "Devil" is referred to as the Devil Gene, let me break it down and explain:
KEY WORDS Meanings
- Devil Gene, a Gene is a unit of DNA that control the development of a single characteristic in an individual.
Dr. abel also call the devil gene, the devil cell in julia Tekken 4 ending.
- Devil Cell, a cell is a small mass of living matter that is made of protoplasm, includes a nucleus, is enclose in a membrane, and is the basic unit of which all plant and animals are made up.
The Devil Gene is what gives the Devil cell its characteristics, and the devil cells is a mass of living matter, which forms a living organisms/ life forms, which makes a devil living organism or a devil life form. Hecko you better pull out your tekken 4 game manual, because according to the story, kazuya , after being resurrected he offer his body as a research material to determine the true nature of the devil that reside within him. Kazuya's goal was to unify his (two selfs) meaning Devil is apart of kazuya's well (being) into one. When Heihachi stumble upon G corporation he discovered a project known as Devil-Human Integration Program that was base on kazuya's remains. Heihachi finds out that G corporation was trying to make a new life form, they was trying to combine human cells with devils cells, Dr. abel also explains this in julia's ending. All this explains is that Devil is a life form that was born within and apart of kazuya, not a spirit. This also explains that Devil Jin and Devil and Jinpachi act as three individual devils, having the Genes of different characteristics (appearances), Nature (personalities/characteristics),. Also in Devil Jin Tekken 5 prologues it states that "when the Devil Gene Take over Jin Kazama". This sentence is clearly referring Devil as the Devil Gene taking over and controling jin's mind. In Devil Jin's article on this website, it states that Devil Jin represents Jin after the devil Gene takes over him. Again, it is referring devil (evil spirit) as the devil Gene. Like I said above, this concept, throws out angel being apart of kazuya's soul, which is non canon to the present story.
KEY WORDS: Meanings
- Reside, to live permanently and continuously : DWELL, 2: to have its place : EXIST, or always was.
- Being, the state of having life or existence, 2: a living thing.
- integrate, to form into a whole : UNITE.
- Nature, the basic character of a person or thing. User: Teriko
User: Faeli34 Wow teriko and Hecko, u guys are really smart. So the theory above explains kazuya's tekken 4 ending. At the first part of kazuya's T4 ending, Devil said to Heihachi "So you were with him after all, my half...". Devil could have been referring to jin as being his son or being apart of him through blood and genes. Example: kazuya was intimate with Jun. So not only kazuya and jun conceive a child, but so did Devil. Which he was referring to Devil Jin being his half as his son or being apart of him through blood and genes. I like this disscusion. But can add this, the Devil-Human Intergration program was base on kazuya. Which the name Devil-Human is a catch phrase of G Corperation refering kazuya being half Devil half Human. Now according to G Corperation, they was trying to build a new life form by intergrating the devil cells with human cells. Animals cells is made up of humans, dogs, cats and birds and so on. Plant cells is made up of trees, sunflowers, grass and so on. In the tekken story Devil cells could have been made up of devil-like organism. This could also lead up to the origin or the starting of the Devil Gene. Azazel could have been one of those living organism or Devil life forms that starting the Devil Genee. This is highly possible because of Azazel and Devil jin small interlude in the Tekken 6 scenario mode. When you play as Devil Jin on the stage of Azazel before fighting against Azazel, in the interlude Azazel thanks Devil Jin as his child for bringing war and negative energy to world to resurrect him. I barely could see the words on my small TV. But Devil Jin responded negative because Azazel responded " how dare you defy me, I am the one who created you". Afterwards Devil jin responded he will absorb Azazel's power. You guys will have to check it out.
- I'm just gonna point out key issues really quickly:
- In Kazuya's T4 ending, Devil says (when seeing Jin): "So you were with him after all, my half...", i.e. half of Devil resides within Jin. If Devil was not a spiritual being, but simply "born" from the gene, Devil's statement would have made no sense whatsoever.
- The word translated in the ending as "my half..." is "waga no hanshin (我の半身)", which more specifically means "half of my body". As you can see, Kazuya is very much not missing any body parts, so the only explanation would be for Devil to have been an independent spiritual being living within Kazuya's body (which would make it possible for him to lose half his body), cause if he was just a gene, then Kazuya's body would equal Devil's body, which we can infer that it doesn't as; a) that would make him dead; b) he wouldn't be able to transfer half of himself to Jin.
- How exactly Devil transfered half of himself to Jin is explained in T2 and T3, which emphasises this part of the Devil Gene article: "The original concept, before the coming of a "Devil Gene", was not entirely scrapped though, and has in some cases been incorperated into the new continuity."
- From the Devil Gene article: "[...]as well as having it (the gene) control the transformations of one to the other." So "when the Gene takes over," it means that a character is forcibly transformed after which the devil spirits within them are the dominant consciousnesses. This is a process caused by the Gene, but that doesn't suddenly equate Devil as the Gene. Thinking this would be a fallacy. Again, look at Kazuya's T4 ending which shows that the Gene and Devil are two different things; Devil is able to take control of Kazuya's body without the actual activation of the Devil Gene, and likewise, the entire concept of conscious activation rules out that Devil = Devil Gene.
- The was probably more, but I'm tired and have work to do right now. --Hecko 08:19, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
Yes you are right, the word my half is translated as ore no hashin which means "half of my body" and your right about kazuya didn't have any body parts missing. But This doesn't mean that Devil is reffering to the spiritual half of himself. "So you where with him after all, my half..."When Devil said my half, he was referring to jin as being half of his body as his son and being apart of him Through Blood And Genes not literally his body parts. Example: Kazuya was intimate with Jun, so not only did Kazuya and Jun conceived a child, but so did Devil. Which Devil was referring to Devil Jin being half of his body as his son and being apart him Through Blood And Genes. Example 2: Hecko if you conceive a child, then that child is your half, your sperm, your Genes, your blood, Which is half of your body. So that's what Devil means when he refer jin as "my half" or "half of my body". Devil= Devil Gene.
I am about to give you some source from, Tekken 4 telling you it was reveal that Devil and kazuya is one of the same. . Let's go back to the Tekken 4 manual book. In the introductions story, it states "Kazuya had been resurrected in G corporation's research facility. After his resurrectiom, kazuya had offered his body as a research material to determind the true Nature of the Devil (Nature means the basic character of a person or thing.) Which tell the reader that Devil is a living being within kazuya Not just as a living spirit) that resides within him. (Reside means to live permently and continuously: or always was.) Which tell the reader that Devil lives within kazuya. He was always was within kazuya from birth. Kazuya's goal was to unify His Two Selves into one. (his two selves means that of the same person. meaning that Devil is kazuya's other self and Kazuya is Devil's other self. Selves (plural) means a special side of a individual's character (alter ego). Which let's the reader know that Devil and kazuya is one of the same. According to Tekken 4 the G Corporation descovered Devil cells within kazuya,.... this explains that Devil is a life form. This also makes "Kazuya packing a deal with the Devil non-canon to the present story of the tekken games series, like in Tekken 6 scenario campaign prologue in the summary of Tekken 1 and 2 it did not state that kazuya sold his soul to the entity known as Devil to exact revenge on his father heihachi. Basically this brief paragraph came from tekken 4 story word for word.. all I did to this paragraph was break down the key words and meanings between the sentences and lines, telling you to read between the lines. This is a technique of understanding literature. User: Teriko
Wow teriko know his knowlege lol user: Ace jackson
- First of, entire first section, wtf? I've split up all the problems and issues with the first section alone, because there were a lot.
- If he had been refering to Jin like you say, he would've used "my offspring", "my son", "my child", or something similar. He would never have used "my half"; in fact, I doubt any sane person would refer to their child as half of their body.
- When Devil says "So you where with him after all, my half...", the "you" and "my half" is refering to the half of Devil that he lost at the conclusion of T2. The "him" is the part that refers to Jin; Jin isn't the topic of the sentence. This is extremely straight-forward English, I'm surprised that it would confuse someone as well-versed in understanding literature as you claim to be.
- If you listen to what Devil says in Japanese, a more direct translation would be "So you, my other half, really -were- dwelling inside this thing..." so it's preeeeetty obvious that "my half" is not refering to Jin (who is instead refered to as "this thing"), but quite literally to the other half of himself that he lost at the conclusion of T2.
- Quote by Devil as said to Heihachi in Kazuya's T4 ending: "Twenty years ago, I lost a part of myself when you nearly killed me. Now, I'll retrieve what is rightfully mine from him [refering to Jin]!". He is stating, straight to your face, that he's a spiritual being. The quote also completely discredits your weird argument about Devil refering to Jin in this way because he's his offspring and whatnot since he gives the exact cause the 'split' (part of him was lost when he nearly got killed by Heihachi; it had nothing to do with genetics, conceiving children, or anything thereof).
- Secondly, you should seriously consider not trying to pump up your sentences to sound more intellegent, cause (no offense) you aren't pulling it off too well. In fact, you're aren't pulling it off at all; you're doing your own arguments more harm than good.
- "Let's go back to the Tekken 4 manual book. In the introductions story, it states "Kazuya had been resurrected in G corporation's research facility. After his resurrectiom, kazuya had offered his body as a research material to determind the true Nature of the Devil (Nature means the basic character of a person or thing. Which tell the reader that Devil is a living being within kazuya Not just as a living spirit) that resides within him. (Reside means to live permently and continuously: or always was.) Which tell the reader that Devil lives within kazuya. He was always was within kazuya from birth."
- Red part: Yes, "nature" -can- mean "the basic character of a person or thing", however, the definition of "nature" that fits -this- context is "the essential qualities or characteristics by which something is recognized". So it doesn't tell the reader "that Devil is a living being within kazuya Not just as a living spirit." What it -does- tell, however, is that Kazuya wants to know exactly what Devil is and what powers Devil has (and most likely how he can use them himself).
- Blue part: Yes, we know that Devil lives within Kazuya, we've known this since the very first Tekken game. However, nothing in what you wrote in any way implies that Devil was within Kazuya from birth, as opposed to possessing him at the age of 5 as suggested in the first few games.
- "Kazuya's goal was to unify His Two Selves into one. ([...]Selves (plural) means a special side of a individual's character (alter ego). Which let's the reader know that Devil and kazuya is one of the same.
- You say one thing, and then the complete opposite. A self is a consciousness of ones own identity; two selves means two seperate consciousnesses, in this case Kazuya's and Devil's. So sure, you -can- say that Devil and Kazuya are one and the same, but only in the sense that they share the same body which we've known since the first Tekken. They still have two seperate consciounsnesses, so you've actually said nothing to help your own case.
- According to Tekken 4 the G Corporation descovered Devil cells within kazuya,.... this explains that Devil is a life form.
- Oooooor it just explains that Kazuya possessed the Devil Gene, which is something we already know. It says nothing about Devil himself.
- This also makes "Kazuya packing a deal with the Devil non-canon to the present story of the tekken games series, like in Tekken 6 scenario campaign prologue in the summary of Tekken 1 and 2 it did not state that kazuya sold his soul to the entity known as Devil to exact revenge on his father heihachi.
- The prolougue has various minor changes and parts it skips, e.g. never mentioning Kazuya's hatred and rivalry with Lee Chaolan, who has a great influence on the kind of person Kazuya became as an adult, not showing Devil losing part of himself in T2, not showing Jin's encounter with Devil in T3, getting the timeline for Kazuya's ressurrection wrong (several years as opposed to a few days, as said in T4), not showing Kazuya transforming into Devil at the beginning of T5, showing Jin and not Devil Jin as the person who defeated Jinpachi, etc. etc. etc. In fact, the video never shows Devil, at all, for any amount of time, so if you are going to believe everything the video depicts to the letter, then Devil doesn't even exist.
- "Let's go back to the Tekken 4 manual book. In the introductions story, it states "Kazuya had been resurrected in G corporation's research facility. After his resurrectiom, kazuya had offered his body as a research material to determind the true Nature of the Devil (Nature means the basic character of a person or thing. Which tell the reader that Devil is a living being within kazuya Not just as a living spirit) that resides within him. (Reside means to live permently and continuously: or always was.) Which tell the reader that Devil lives within kazuya. He was always was within kazuya from birth."
- All in all, while the Devil Gene has been introduced, Devil is still, and has always been, a spiritual being. There's been no solid evidence (thus far, at least) to suggest otherwise, while a lot of evidence supports it. --Hecko 19:20, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
Previously above Hecko, you said that Devil spiritually transfered half of himself to jin in Tekken 2 and 3. This means that you are saying that Devil Jin is spiritualy Devil's other half. According to Devil Jin's Tekken 5 prologue it states that "When the Devil Gene Takes over Jin Kazama". This statement clearly means the Devil Gene itself Takes over Jin's Mind and body in its possession. In this statement, it never mentions Devil's other spiritual half controling Jin's Devil Gene what so ever. If so it would have stated. instead it refer to as the gene that is possessing him. Also in Devil's article, it states that only the Devil that inhabits kazuya's body is and have only refer to its self as "Devil", the other devils, such as Devil Jin and Jinpachi has not referred to them selfs as or apart of the entity known as "Devil". And this could mean that Devil Jin and Jinpachi's devil are two seperate entities from "Devil".
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I've blocked the person that was vandlising the pages. I've also promoted your account to Admin, if you see any further behavior like this then please block the persons account. I'm trusting you that you will not abuse your admin powers :) Samuel 23:49, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
Wow thanks Samuel User: Teriko
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What's up.. I can't believe that harada says that's its wrong information here a lot of it
Same here.
Did u read what I post on Samuel page. ask Mr. Harada on twitter to check out tekkenpedia, he told me its one of nicest sites of tekken but he's says a lot of our information is wrong :(.. but seriously think something is going on and a lot confusing information about tekken story is being reveal.. like jinpachi.. harada reveals that a evil ghost spirit possess jinpachi over some revenge... but when play tekken 5 and you lose against jinpachi his ending states that he is being control by the devil?????? Also when you play with heihachi in the story mode and beat jinpachi, heihachi says that he has the devil blood..?? So confusing ??? I just wonder I much information we got wrong?? User: Teriko
Its very confusing indeed.
Hay, read the devil gene discussion its very interesting, its me and User: Faeli34 and User: Hecko X.. a big debate on is devil referred to as the devil gene/ devil is a life form.. User: Teriko
Hey, Paje Johnson
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I did not revert your edits for no reason, the grammar is poor. Please do not re-do the exact same edit I have undone without opening an discussion about it. You can not start a sentence with 'becuase'. "It is believe" should read "It is believed", another way of saying this is to say that it is "suggested". Jun did not only protect her unborn son but her son throughout his life. It's no coincidence that it wasn't until her disappearance that the devil gene took over him.
You cant say the opening "suggest" it. It is the viewer that suggest it. And suggest and believe have to different meanings. We cannot take in consideration that devil possess jin in that opening. The scene in that opening could be symbolic, we dont know What it means. And the scene in the opening doesnt mean the devil gene took over him. User: Teriko
- Symbolic? What about the scene suggests it's symbolic? We can only go with what we are presented. We can not second guess what is clearly being presented to us unless otherwise directly stated or else where does it end? Who is to say what scenes are symbolic? The entire concept of Devil could be symbolic... but that's not what the game says. To "suggest" something means to leave it open to question not that it is fact. The Tekken 3 opening suggests Devil inhabits Jin.
"To avoid confusion with Devil Jin and Devil. The devil inhabiting Kazuya's body has simply referred itself as Devil"
This sentence does not make sense since he is also referred to as Devil Kazuya in Tekken 5. It's contradictory. Please do not make me undo this again.
Do you know What "suggest" means. In this context another word for it will be "theorize".. the opening is not making the "suggesting" it is the viewer(you) that is making the suggestion base off What is being presented to you. You aré theorizing from What you seen in the opening.----
- I'm tired of getting into semantics with you. You can not just slot words into a previously written sentence. It does not read well. See here, for the meaning of "suggest". You are keeping me from making real contributions. There are plenty of other pages that need a lot of word. Our time could be better spent making helpful contributions than bickering over semantics. Do not redo your edit.
Ok i understand, but it doesnt make sense to say the scene within the opening "suggest" or made suggesting because the scene dont have narrative words presented to suggest anything.. the scene is just a visual field to the viewers. So since the scene isn't narrative in any kind of way, the viewers can theorize or make "suggestings" on What they think the scene is telling or presenting to them(the viewers).. and your right we shouldnt be bickering over this, so we should leave as it is or put more sense to the sentence. User: Teriko
- A "visual field" can absolutely make suggestions and contain narrative. Have you ever seen Metropolis? It's one of the greatest films of all time and completely silent. It suggests to the viewer without a single spoken word the dangers of industry and social class.
- But this is pointless. No matter how good a case I put across, you will not concede. So, you win. Write the intro whatever way you like. No hard feelings.
